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Sarjakuvanlukijoiden keskustelut => Toimintasarjakuvat => : delboj 08.06.2011 klo 20:14:07
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Hi for everyone!
If you read Ilta-Sanomat, can you post informations when will be started new story?
We need info for http://www.schapter.org/wiki/Ilta-Sanomat
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Hi! It has not been told if there will come a new story or not after the current one. I can inform on this thread what happens. I guess this adventure will end on June 17.
You could mention in PhantomWiki that Ilta-Sanomat publishes Phantom strips five days a week.
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Hi! It has not been told if there will come a new story or not after the current one. I can inform on this thread what happens. I guess this adventure will end on June 17.
You could mention in PhantomWiki that Ilta-Sanomat publishes Phantom strips five days a week.
Ok, thanks for info.
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Hi! It has not been told if there will come a new story or not after the current one. I can inform on this thread what happens. I guess this adventure will end on June 17.
You could mention in PhantomWiki that Ilta-Sanomat publishes Phantom strips five days a week.
Is there new info today?
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Is there new info today?
Yes. The Lucy Cary adventure ended yesterday on June 16. Unfortunately Ilta-Sanomat skipped six strips, 12 October – 17 October 1964. The comic strip editors of the paper didn’t correct the mistake, though they noticed it. I don’t know why. It’s a real pity and shame, and I stop following and collecting these strips, since I can’t be sure that all strips of the stories will be published!
Today started the new adventure, D90. It comes right after the previous story.
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Yes. The Lucy Cary adventure ended yesterday on June 16. Unfortunately Ilta-Sanomat skipped six strips, 12 October – 17 October 1964. The comic strip editors of the paper didn’t correct the mistake, though they noticed it. I don’t know why. It’s a real pity and shame, and I stop following and collecting these strips, since I can’t be sure that all strips of the stories will be published!
Today started the new adventure, D90. It comes right after the previous story.
Thanks for info. Does D 90 have Finnish title, like D 89 had title "Lucy Caryn seikkailut"?
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Yep. The title is "Kelmit". It means "Rogues" or "Bad Ones". I know that the title is "The Bad Ones" in English.
It is nice that you are interested in Phantom in Finland. :)
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Yep. The title is "Kelmit". It means "Rogues" or "Bad Ones". I know that the title is "The Bad Ones" in English.
It is nice that you are interested in Phantom in Finland. :)
Thanks. It's interesting that titles of these stories are different than in previously publications in Finnish comic books.
We are interested in all informations about the Phantom. For Finnish issues, we have permission for using info from http://koti.mbnet.fi/tynninen/mustanaamio_index/, but some informations are incomplete there.
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It's interesting that titles of these stories are different than in previously publications in Finnish comic books.
That’s because Ilta-Sanomat has translated them again. They are not material given and translated by Bull’s nor Semic/Egmont.
We are interested in all informations about the Phantom. For Finnish issues, we have permission for using info from http://koti.mbnet.fi/tynninen/mustanaamio_index/, but some informations are incomplete there.
What missing information do you mean? I think in those pages the Phantom comic books have been indexed very well. There has not been tried to index newspaper stories out there.
There have been dozens of Finnish newspapers where the Phantom has had adventures. To PhantomWiki’s list (http://www.schapter.org/wiki/Finland) I can add Etelä-Suomen Sanomat and Pohjolan Sanomat. The former newspaper doesn’t publish the strip anymore. I don’t know about the latter.
In my knowledge, Seura is the only Finnish paper, which has published Sunday stories of the Phantom, I believe since the 1950’s. It is not a newspaper, but a weekly magazine.
The ongoing adventure in Seura is S 170. It started in issue 2010-50. The former story S 169 ran from issue 2010-23 to 2010-49. I will check next week if any Finnish title was given to the stories.
Btw, where do you live?
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What missing information do you mean? I think in those pages the Phantom comic books have been indexed very well. There has not been tried to index newspaper stories out there.
About this issue http://koti.mbnet.fi/tynninen/mustanaamio_index/html/f/f-1961-03.html
And about these stories http://koti.mbnet.fi/tynninen/mustanaamio_index/indeksit/indeksi_mustanaamio.html
But I've got some help from an Swedish collector who has Finnish issues and identified stories.
However, I still wait for informations about some short stories.
For example, I still can't find where are from this page in attachment. It should be excerpt from an newspaper story by Wilson McCoy.
There have been dozens of Finnish newspapers where the Phantom has had adventures. To PhantomWiki’s list (http://www.schapter.org/wiki/Finland) I can add Etelä-Suomen Sanomat and Pohjolan Sanomat. The former newspaper doesn’t publish the strip anymore. I don’t know about the latter.
Ok, I will add that.
In my knowledge, Seura is the only Finnish paper, which has published Sunday stories of the Phantom, I believe since the 1950’s. It is not a newspaper, but a weekly magazine.
The ongoing adventure in Seura is S 170. It started in issue 2010-50. The former story S 169 ran from issue 2010-23 to 2010-49. I will check next week if any Finnish title was given to the stories.
I will move Seura to category "Magazines". But in list there are two more newspapers which published Sundays - Karjalainen and Keskisuomalainen.
Btw, where do you live?
I will send info via PM.
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Thanks for your response and your private message.
About this issue http://koti.mbnet.fi/tynninen/mustanaamio_index/html/f/f-1961-03.html
Yes, that is a VERY rare book.
And about these stories http://koti.mbnet.fi/tynninen/mustanaamio_index/indeksit/indeksi_mustanaamio.html
But I've got some help from an Swedish collector who has Finnish issues and identified stories.
I see what you mean. For some reason Juha has not written much info on many Italian stories. Maybe because artists have been unknown. Ok, some info is also missing in American Phantom comic book stories.
However, I still wait for informations about some short stories.
For example, I still can't find where are from this page in attachment. It should be excerpt from an newspaper story by Wilson McCoy.
Only the last panel is by McCoy. A Swedish or Finnish artist imitates him in other panels in an ugly way. That is not a newspaper story, it is a detective puzzle meant for children.
I will move Seura to category "Magazines". But in list there are two more newspapers which published Sundays - Karjalainen and Keskisuomalainen.
That is possible, maybe in the 1960s, but I have seen only dailies in those two papers.
Thanks for addings, and thank you, in general for your work in PhantomWiki! I would be interested to contribute, but am too busy. Maybe some day. :)
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However, I've compared those Fratelli Spada and American stories with original versions and identified them.
Thanks for info about detective puzzle.
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It’s great that you have identified all long stories! Short stories are difficult to trace.
The title “Mustanaamion salapoliisitehtävä” means “The Phantom’s detective puzzle”. Here’s a short translation:
Panel 1: The drums tell the Phantom that the Tessai tribe has stolen treasures from the Wambesi chief. The chief is gathering his warriors.
Panel 2: The Phantom arrives at the Wambesi village and negotiates with the chief not to attack the Tessais for next 24 hours. The Phantom thinks Tessais are peaceful people.
Panel 3: The Phantom believes the thief will return for getting more treasures. He hides himself near the Wambesi chief’s cottage. In the night, someboby’s entering the cottage. The Phantom hits him, and the stranger escapes.
Panel 4: The Phantom doesn’t want to awake the chief. In the morning, he asks the chief to gather his people. He knows he can reveal the thief to them. Can you guess how he can know it? The answer is on this page upside down.
Answer: The thief has the Phantom’s skull mark. He was caught immediately.
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Thanks for translation. It's interesting puzzle.
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Delboj: Sunday story 170 ended this week in Seura’s issue 25-26/2011. Sundies 169 and 170 don’t have Finnish titles.
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Thanks for informations. I've found info that the Phantom has appeared in Seura at least since 1959.
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I've found info that the Phantom has appeared in Seura at least since 1959.
I believe the Phantom arrived when Ratsupoliisi King (King of the Royal Mounted), which was in Seura already in the 1930s, ran out of new material after the middle 1950s. However, King came pretty soon back to Seura as readers demanded it, and since that he has been published as reprints in the magazine.
Maybe Lurker knows the starting year of the Phantom in Seura? He knows about Seura’s old comic strips and has a blog about old popular culture. His Populaari blog says that already Seura 45/1950 had a cover (http://populaari.blogspot.com/2008/04/jannittava-hetki.html) where the Phantom appeared! The cover text says: “A thrilling moment”. The Phantom was known in some Finnish newspapers already in the 1940s.
Seura has always been a big magazine. Circulation is still about 150 000 copies.
I have collected some Seura’s strips. Here is an old Sunday strip around 1966. It is the beginning of the story “Wamba Falls Inn”. Colours are modest.
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Thanks for info. Can you ask Lurker about that?
And from which Seura issues is this page in attachment?
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He is an active member of this forum. I’m sure that he sees this discussion.
Unfortunately, I don’t know the issue. I didn’t write it down when I clipped the page years ago. That’s why I wrote “around 1966”. Originally the strip is from 1965. There was not a big delay between American and Finnish publications.
EDIT. If Lurker won’t answer, I’ll find out the exact starting date during the summer. I am anyway going to university library to read old magazines and newspapers. I am myself interested to know.
You can always ask anything about Finnish Mustanaamio. We try to help if we can. Maybe I'll join PhantomWiki some day and write some info about newspapers stories there.
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Ok. If you can find informations about a few older stories, maybe then we could calculate for other issues and get complete list of stories published in Seura. But I am not sure.
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I thought the same. But the problem in counting is, that Seura doesn’t come out every week. There are two or three double issues a year (like, for example, 25-26/2010). And sometimes there are 52 and sometimes 53 issues a year, according to number of weeks. And I don’t know how it was decades ago. We could count something, but the results would become a little unexact.
I do know some stories. For example, this story, Woduro’s Secret (http://www.schapter.org/wiki/Woduro%27s_Secret), was published in Seura from issue 2001-38 to 2002-18. I collected it because it was Graham Nolan’s first adventure and wrote down the issues.
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Then that's problem. Thanks for informations, I will add that to list.
When the Phantom first time appeared in Finnish newspapers? In 1940s?
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We can be sure that he has appeared here at least since the 1940s. The Finnish Wikipedia (http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustanaamio) says that the Phantom started in Karjalainen already in the late 1930s. I doubt it. Maybe it is just a guess. Wikipedia’s source is Karjalainen in 1996. I think Karjalainen’s article would have told the exact date if it had known about the first strip.
It is not difficult to look at Karjalainen’s old issues from micro films. I shall do it when I have time and shall scan the first strip. :). Maybe after two weeks or something. Many people say Karjalainen was the first Finnish newspaper with the Phantom.
Many Finnish newspapers have written their histories as books where they tell also about their comic strips. The problem is that comic strip fans have not picked that information.
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Thanks for info. It would be nice if there are more free online newspapers archive, like for some American and Canadian newspapers. Norwegian Aftenposten has really good archive. I've also created some lists using free archive for recent years.
Of course, informations there was Sundays Karjalainen and Keskisuomalainen could be wrong.
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Does anyone who have old Mustanaamio issues can scan pages with the results of these votes http://www.schapter.org/wiki/Best_Mustanaamio_cover
And best cover posters, like this one http://www.schapter.org/wiki/File:Bestmustanaamio1984.jpg